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Any questions partner?

I was called to the table, hypothetically, at the of the auction.

The player on lead asked "Any questions partner" - and declarer objected.

Declarer stated that the person on lead cannot ask their partner as this was UI since partner must carefully avoid making use of unauthorised information.

Law 20F2 states that "Either defender at his own turn to play may request an explanation of the opposing auction..."

It doesn't say anything about asking the person on lead if they have any questions.

Law 20G2 furthermore states that "A player may not ask a question if his sole purpose is to benefit partner"

Since asking the question "Any questions partner" is for the sole benefit of partner it presumably barred.

In other words you cannot wake partner up to the fact that it might be to their benefit to ask questions about the auction.

Any thoughts?

Comments

  • Hmm. Many players will ask this routinely before facing the lead, if it is barred. I think of 20G2 as referring to questions about a bid, I'm not convinced it applies here. Although if you were to use a tone that suggested partner should be asking questions that wouldn't be allowed.

    41B / C refers to the facing of the opening lead. My first instinct was that you shouldn't face the opening lead without some sign from partner that they don't intend to ask questions. In which case you may either have to ask or sit there until they wake up. This isn't actually explicit in the wording of the law, which just says that they may ask questions. But it seems we should allow "Any questions" as part of the functioning of Law 41.

    If we really think it's a leading question because of the tone that probably is improper. Although it's worth noting that opening leader can ask questions before the lead, so it's hard to see how this would really benefit their side.

  • The purpose of "Any questions partner" is to give partner to option to ask questions before the opening lead is faced. This matters because if it transpires that there has been misinformation (by presumed declaring side), then the lead may be withdrawn and replaced. In fact it is even posible for the auction to be reopened (Law 21B1a).

    I think it's clear from the context that the "questions" referred to are those relating to the meaning of opponent's calls.

    I would also argue that "Any questions partner" is for the benefit of the partnership, not solely for partner.

    Otherwise we could not ask if it was our turn to lead or what the contract was!

  • The leader asking the non-leader whether they have questions gives unauthorised information. Not asking would also give unauthorised information.

    There isn't any rule broken, or any adjustment required, unless the ask or non-ask demonstrably suggests a course of action (and the player receiving the UI selects it over a logical alternative). It seems very unlikely to me that such a question would demonstrably suggest a course of action. (Perhaps if a player only asked if they thought there's something that their partner should be asking about, that would be a problem. But I don't think that commonly happens in practice.)

  • Agreed in principle - but on that basis at any point when it is your turn to bid or play, not asking a question gives UI.

    There has to be a limit!

  • It does seem extraordinary that something so prevalent and encouraged might not be permissible.

    Some analysis:

    @weejonnie said:
    The player on lead asked "Any questions partner" - and declarer objected.

    Presumably in your excitment at spotting this problem, you forgot to mention that the opening lead is already face down on the table.

    It doesn't say anything about asking the person on lead if they have any questions.

    Presumably you meant to say: It doesn't say anything about asking the person not on lead if they have any questions

    @JeremyChild said:
    This matters because if it transpires that there has been misinformation (by presumed declaring side), then the lead may be withdrawn and replaced.

    There has already been ample opportunity to correct misinformation - declarer or dummy should've done it at the end of the auction (Law 20 F 5 b) and leader could've asked before leading. So there will be extremely few cases where leader's partner might identify something amiss.

    @JamesC said:
    41B / C refers to the facing of the opening lead. My first instinct was that you shouldn't face the opening lead without some sign from partner that they don't intend to ask questions. In which case you may either have to ask or sit there until they wake up. This isn't actually explicit in the wording of the law, which just says that they may ask questions. But it seems we should allow "Any questions" as part of the functioning of Law 41.

    Agreed, it just says they may ask, and 41B also says that defender can ask for a review of the auction at their first turn to play a card, so there is no apparent strong imperitive to do it whilst partner's opening lead is face down. One small reason is that the bidding cards are usually removed once dummy is faced, so better to ask questions before the bidding cards disappear.

    Nevertheless I believe Law 41B provides the answer to the original query. It says:

    Before the opening lead is faced, the leader’s partner and the presumed declarer (but not the presumed dummy) each may require a review of the auction, or request explanation of an opponent’s call

    By impication, this means that opener must give their partner the opportunity to ask questions, and therefore it is reasonable for opener to verbally check.

  • @JeremyChild said:
    Agreed in principle - but on that basis at any point when it is your turn to bid or play, not asking a question gives UI.

    There has to be a limit!

    I think that not asking questions does indeed give UI, although it usually isn't significant enough to call the Director.

    There are some non-asks – like not asking about an alerted bid, then bidding a suit that the alerted bid actually showed – that give such large amounts of UI that partner would be heavily constrained (to the extent that an adjustment is likely opposite many follow-ups from partner that are frequently seen in practice). It is helpful to have an "always ask" policy here to reduce the amount of UI involved.

  • edited July 12

    Before the opening lead is faced, the leader’s partner and the presumed declarer (but not the presumed dummy) each may require a review of the auction, or request explanation of an opponent’s call

    By impication, this means that opener must give their partner the opportunity to ask questions, and therefore it is reasonable for opener to verbally check.

    On further reflection - to strictly comply with the laws, "Any questions" should be directed at both partner and declarer.

  • @UsuallyDummy said:

    On further reflection - to strictly comply with the laws, "Any questions" should be directed at both partner and declarer.

    Good point.

  • The procedure probably arose due to annoying partners who say nothing when you lead face down.

  • @ais523 said:

    It is helpful to have an "always ask" policy here to reduce the amount of UI involved.

    Blue Book 2E2:

    Players sometimes say, ‘I always ask whether I intend to bid or not’. Players who do this must follow this approach strictly ....

    and I think in practice, it is difficult to consistently "always ask".

    Barrie Partridge - CTD for Bridge Club Live

  • At least with respect to "any questions?", it is pretty easy to follow consistently. I used to do that when playing in person at the club, and lots of other players did too. (Nowadays I mostly play using online platforms that use self-alerts, where the situation is significantly different.)

  • @Senior_Kibitzer said:

    @ais523 said:

    It is helpful to have an "always ask" policy here to reduce the amount of UI involved.

    Blue Book 2E2:

    Players sometimes say, ‘I always ask whether I intend to bid or not’. Players who do this must follow this approach strictly ....

    and I think in practice, it is difficult to consistently "always ask".

    We are talking about two different things here. The original post is talking about asking "any questions" before leading; the Blue Book is talking about always asking about alerted calls.

  • If you always ask "questions partner?" as a matter of etiquette after leading face down, there is no UI. It is a good thing to do since:

    a) it sometimes reveals that the wrong person is trying to lead, before the lead is faced.
    b) it makes it clear that the partner of the person on lead should not ask questions before the lead is chosen as this may well be problematic UI.

  • I have read through thses posts and I am left with a lack of clear understanding. . . .
    I have several members who routinely ask their partners 'any questions partner' before facing the opening lead, I am SURE they do this bot knowing why or for what reason they do it and I struggle (even after reading thses posts) to come up with what could be a legitimate reason for asking that question. What could be a legitmate reason (s) for asking the question?

  • Law 41B. Review of Auction and Questions
    Before the opening lead is faced, the leader’s partner and the
    presumed declarer (but not the presumed dummy) each may
    require a review of the auction, or request explanation of an
    opponent’s call (see Law 20F2 and 20F3).

    What frequently happens is that the leader's partner does not indicate whether or not they would like to ask for a review or request explanations, so the leader asks "any questions" to resolve the matter and allow play to start.

  • Thanks Gordon

  • And to clarify further: in theory you should give the declarer a chance to ask questions / ask for a review in addition to the opening leader's partner, but there's usually no damage done if the declarer asks after the opening lead is faced rather than beforehand, so jumping the gun on that doesn't matter so much and thus normally players only wait for their partner.

    It can sometimes be important to give declarer/dummy an opportunity to say that there was a missed alert or misexplanation during the auction, though, which is one reason to wait for the opponents rather than just for partner.

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