Undo regulations

Martin

Just double checking my understanding and recollections...

The Light Blue Book contains the EBU's regulations for online play and this currenlt allows undos for bidding misclicks but forbids undos in the play?

However, there is no obligation on a club to follow these same regulations and they can, for example, allow undos both in the auction and play, if the want to do so (but only for misclicks and not changes of mind)?

Is this correct, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Robin_BarkerTD

Yes/sort of.

The light-blue book = sky-blue book is not regulation anymore, its contents have been included in the White Book and Blue Book.

It can be argued that the EBU stance on undos is interpretation of the laws not regulation.

The stance on undos in the auction was changed because European/World authorities told (suggested strongly) that disallowing undos in the auction online was contrary to Law 25A - so the EBU stance changed.

Undos in the play correspond to inadvertently exposed cards which would be the same as dropped card face-to-face. Inadvertently exposed cards would be major/minor penalty cards for the defending side and the online platform do not support penalty cards. EBU (and other bodies) have decided to disallow undos in the play for all players rather than try to mimic the penalty card laws for undos in the play by defenders. A tournament organiser who wanted to allow some/all undos in the play would need a procedure to get round these legal issues.

Martin

Thanks Robin... that's about what I thought

JeremyChild

This seems easy enough to implement in RealBridge (I know nothing about BBO). The director tells everyone there's a penalty card, and if they think it necessary, hangs around until it is disposed of - just like in F2F.

JeremyChild

@Robin_BarkerTD said:
Yes/sort of.

The light-blue book = sky-blue book is not regulation anymore, its contents have been included in the White Book and Blue Book.

It can be argued that the EBU stance on undos is interpretation of the laws not regulation.

It could also be more strongly argued that it is against laws 48 and 49 which prescribe the actions to be taken in such cases. It is (IMHO) not with the gift of the organising body to ignore those laws (as opposed to, say, law 40B2d, under which the EBU allows online players to consult their system notes).

Undos in the play correspond to inadvertently exposed cards which would be the same as dropped card face-to-face. Inadvertently exposed cards would be major/minor penalty cards for the defending side and the online platform do not support penalty cards.

I disagree.

It is perfectly possible on both BBO and RB to have a penalty card. OK there isn't a "make this a penalty card" button, but you don't need that to enforce a penalty card. You just withdraw the play (using the UNDO button) and make everyone aware that a card in question is a penalty card (if a defender's card).

EBU (and other bodies) have decided to disallow undos in the play for all players rather than try to mimic the penalty card laws for undos in the play by defenders.

I really don't get why - it is not that difficult to "mimic the penalty card laws".